I don’t know why this has to be an “either, or” situation. Because it’s both imo. Jewish students are getting hurt because they are Jewish. It doesn’t matter if other Jewish students participate. After all. George Soros is ethnically Jewish, but ye went around and willingly identified Jewish homes so that the Nazis could ship them off to camps. There is the phenomenon of the self-hating Jew. Doesn’t mean that there’s not antisemitism mixed in with their motives
Reality is reality. You can lie to yourself if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't mean it's the truth. Do you know how ridiculous "self-hating jew" sounds? Just as ridiculous as when the left says "self-hating gay."
And as I've repeatedly told you guys, Soros has nothing to do with any of this. That's another lie.
If you don't unlearn the false talking points of the conservative narrative, you will never beat the left. Ever. And if that's not enough motivation, then I don't know what to say.
Self hating Jews have been around since forever and it’s a well known phenomenon. I am not saying that Soros has anything to do with this, I am saying that he is a prime example. Just like the Jews who were Nazis. He is ashamed to be Jewish. It’s like they believe that if they wipe out all the Jews then it will erase their shame. Regardless, what’s happening is both a Marxist takeover and antisemitic, they are not mutually exclusive. Marx, whose father was a rabbi, is another self hating Jew.
Palestine's intention is to get Jewish people off that land. The fact that the Jewish people are capitalists is incidental to the Palestine intention.
Columbia University socialists' intention is to express solidarity with Palestine as a fellow capitalism-abolisher. The fact that Palestine's resentment is against the Jewish people, specifically, is incidental to the socialist's intention. So, if Jewish people got hurt, it doesn't affect the intention of the socialists. Why would they suddenly have a problem with an entire ethnic group? It took Palestine hundreds of years to build up this resentment. The socialist agenda does not include the Jewish people. That is, this could have been ANY collectivist country against ANY ethnicity and the Columbia U socialists would be expressing solidarity with them, but why would they suddenly be taking on the enemies of each collectivist country?
Karlyn, that was an excellent analysis. I know what to look for, mostly, but I had no idea where you were going to take that. Joining forces with another group, even one extremely dissimilar to your own for the purpose of achieving a common secondary goal, is really common throughout history. Thank you!
So let their numbers swell. They will be fighting each other soon enough - just like Occupy Wall Street - which will be a good thing. I'd rather run through this coming cycle sooner rather than later. Yes, they're not primarily about being anti-Semitic - although they are anti-Semitic, no matter what they say - but I say, let them get POed and show up, so we know who they are, and this gets over with sooner.
Karlyn, I get your point about this being a marxist movement. And they're not really anti-Semitic NOW - but marxism has a bad track record with Jewish people. The Soviet Union treated unreligious, non-practicing, Party member Jews very well, too. (Jews made up a good portion of the Bolshevik Revolution, but then they got purged and sent to Siberia.) Jews always get identified with capitalism sooner or later (or usury, nepotism, or whatever-they-call-it.) We are not saying that's the end game - we are saying they are the canary in a coal mine. Israelis build; Palestinians since Hamas rule destroyed the greenhouses Israel left them, and turned the pipes Israel gave them into bombs instead of plumbing. Of course this is anti-capitalist, because the Jews (and anyone else) who aren't marxist are fair game.
And why are they going after Orthodox Jews? Many of them don't support Israel.
......Literally none of this has to do with what's happening right now. Can we focus on what matters or would you like to keep people constantly distracted bickering over things that happened decades ago?
I don’t know why this has to be an “either, or” situation. Because it’s both imo. Jewish students are getting hurt because they are Jewish. It doesn’t matter if other Jewish students participate. After all. George Soros is ethnically Jewish, but ye went around and willingly identified Jewish homes so that the Nazis could ship them off to camps. There is the phenomenon of the self-hating Jew. Doesn’t mean that there’s not antisemitism mixed in with their motives
Reality is reality. You can lie to yourself if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't mean it's the truth. Do you know how ridiculous "self-hating jew" sounds? Just as ridiculous as when the left says "self-hating gay."
And as I've repeatedly told you guys, Soros has nothing to do with any of this. That's another lie.
If you don't unlearn the false talking points of the conservative narrative, you will never beat the left. Ever. And if that's not enough motivation, then I don't know what to say.
Self hating Jews have been around since forever and it’s a well known phenomenon. I am not saying that Soros has anything to do with this, I am saying that he is a prime example. Just like the Jews who were Nazis. He is ashamed to be Jewish. It’s like they believe that if they wipe out all the Jews then it will erase their shame. Regardless, what’s happening is both a Marxist takeover and antisemitic, they are not mutually exclusive. Marx, whose father was a rabbi, is another self hating Jew.
An example. https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/karl-marx-a-self-hating-jew/2019/05/08/
Palestine's intention is to get Jewish people off that land. The fact that the Jewish people are capitalists is incidental to the Palestine intention.
Columbia University socialists' intention is to express solidarity with Palestine as a fellow capitalism-abolisher. The fact that Palestine's resentment is against the Jewish people, specifically, is incidental to the socialist's intention. So, if Jewish people got hurt, it doesn't affect the intention of the socialists. Why would they suddenly have a problem with an entire ethnic group? It took Palestine hundreds of years to build up this resentment. The socialist agenda does not include the Jewish people. That is, this could have been ANY collectivist country against ANY ethnicity and the Columbia U socialists would be expressing solidarity with them, but why would they suddenly be taking on the enemies of each collectivist country?
Karlyn, that was an excellent analysis. I know what to look for, mostly, but I had no idea where you were going to take that. Joining forces with another group, even one extremely dissimilar to your own for the purpose of achieving a common secondary goal, is really common throughout history. Thank you!
Thanks for breaking it all down.
So let their numbers swell. They will be fighting each other soon enough - just like Occupy Wall Street - which will be a good thing. I'd rather run through this coming cycle sooner rather than later. Yes, they're not primarily about being anti-Semitic - although they are anti-Semitic, no matter what they say - but I say, let them get POed and show up, so we know who they are, and this gets over with sooner.
Only people who listen to political shills on the conservative right believe this is about antisemitism, sorry.
Karlyn, I get your point about this being a marxist movement. And they're not really anti-Semitic NOW - but marxism has a bad track record with Jewish people. The Soviet Union treated unreligious, non-practicing, Party member Jews very well, too. (Jews made up a good portion of the Bolshevik Revolution, but then they got purged and sent to Siberia.) Jews always get identified with capitalism sooner or later (or usury, nepotism, or whatever-they-call-it.) We are not saying that's the end game - we are saying they are the canary in a coal mine. Israelis build; Palestinians since Hamas rule destroyed the greenhouses Israel left them, and turned the pipes Israel gave them into bombs instead of plumbing. Of course this is anti-capitalist, because the Jews (and anyone else) who aren't marxist are fair game.
And why are they going after Orthodox Jews? Many of them don't support Israel.
......Literally none of this has to do with what's happening right now. Can we focus on what matters or would you like to keep people constantly distracted bickering over things that happened decades ago?