I could not follow this when it first came out. I refused to watch anything about Eliza until this article and your video. I’ve been volunteering with an organization that is building a refuge/home for women (and their children if they have them) to stay and recover after coming out of sex trafficking. After working with this organization and still learning about those who are in and coming out of sex trafficking I couldn’t stomach people’s judgment about this woman especially knowing many of them are ignorant about this. Thank you for waiting. I call myself a conservative but not a republican as most of the republicans are grifters I found and I want no part of that. Thank you for all your work especially on this and with education as I lecturer at the university level.
I don’t know if EB was trafficked. I don’t know if she was maligned by YT personalities. But, I do know that censoring people (who are talking about these things) is definitely wrong. I’ll believe for the sake of argument that EB is being falsely accused, but I’m damn sure that Twitter, etc is guilty, and that The Quartering is innocent until he’s proven wrong as well.
If someone posted a sex tape of you all over the internet, a sex tape made when you were not consenting to being a part of it, would it be wrong for you to get it removed? They are all guilty and you are guilty of canceling a sex trafficking victim. Look yourself in the mirror until that sinks in.
I’ve not seen or heard of any sex tape that’s been posted of EB. Did The Quartering post one? I believe he posted a screen shot of a video that was publicly available for all to see on YT. He’s also given proof that this video is not obscene and that she consented to being in it.
There are videos where Eliza express consent for the music ones, what you call "sex tape". You may claim she was forced/coerced for it too in a drugged state without consent. But the rest of us don't know if such claims are true or not. As I understand it, TheQuartering made the coverage with the video material he presumed to be authentic and true. If the most recent claims by Eliza about being trafficked, drugged, Stockholm syndrome etc. are indeed true but difficult/impossible to prove, then sucks to be her. I don't know what else to make of it.
You are willfully missing the point. That's why you can't make sense of it. People who are not willfully missing the point understand that this is not difficult.
If Eliza were to pursue legal action against her trafficker, that would give a lot more credence to her recent claims and justification for her actions against social media accounts. Has she done so? I know: easier said than done, may not have enough evidence, and what she feels as trafficking may not meet strict legal definitions. But I don't know about reality of it. I only know there's been videos and photos of her on Internet for years without a challenge, and now all of a sudden those are taken down and social media accounts are suspended.
What comes to "wilfully missing the point", English is not my first language and I don't know word "wilfully". I checked dictionary, and it gives me a match for "wilful" with definitions. But I don't understand why you use that for me. I can only assume there is something you deem so obvious that everybody else should understand without explanation, but I don't.
That is something. Do you have details? Links? Upcoming article here on Substack? I'll pass the info to TheQuartering asssuming he cares to even check my messages (I have got some responses in the past).
I also wouldn't wait 7 yrs and until it was no longer advantageous to me, to have it struck down.
Not trying to be a drama hound here Karlyn, just pointing out some pretty obvious problems with some of these statements.
I think the possibility of EB being both a sex trafficking victim and a lying grifter are pretty high. One doesn't cancel the other and they can both exist at the same time.
She may not have known it was there. You have absolutely no idea if she did or she didn't. And yes, being a victim of human trafficking and having that splashed all over the internet cancels out your retarded label of "grifter" every fucking day.
I'm blocking you now because you are continuing to be willfully ignorant. I no longer wish to continue a conversation with someone who refuses to see what he's doing.
I do not see what this person is doing wrong. Maybe a longer explanation of what is so wrong about what they are saying is, outside of not agreeing with you, would help others not be bant in the future
I will not have these back and forth with people who refuse to look at information directly in front of them. He’s an outrage junkie, nothing more. I don’t want him in my community.
I am sure that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of both sides. I am also certain this whole thing is useless drama cause NONE OF YALL "CONSERVATIVE" commentators are talking about anything that matters right now.
There are 2 big problems the pro-EB crowd willfully ignores. 1) she has told SO MANY LIES no one knows the truth anymore, and you're a liar if you say you do, even her probably. 2)Just because something bad happens to someone does not justify them doing bad things to others. No matter how big or small. Just because you were abused as a child doesn't make it ok to abuse other children when you grow up. Nor does it mean you can say or do anything unchecked and all of the pro-EB crowd wants everyone to forget about everything and just concentrate on the part where she was POSSIBLY, ACTUALLY trafficked.
I am sure EB has a traumatic story. So do I and a lot of other ppl and the reason most ppl never come forward is because of ppl like EB, who started out w the best intentions but she has told a lot of lies and done a lot of shady stuff once she got her "fame". Now her story is being scrutinized, as well it should, and unfortunately the truth cannot out loud the lies. Now the next person with a true story is reticent to come forward because they don't want this scrutiny and the reason there will be a high lvl of scrutiny and nit picking is because of EB's lies and misrepresentations.
Is she evil, no. Has she done more damage than good? She better start building the homeless some houses just in case.
Yeah the sad part is there are people who will exploit all sorts of things for money and attention on the internet & social media. So I can see how people might be skeptical especially if she has a past of not being so honest about things. If she was indeed trafficked I hope she speaks up about the production company who made this music video as well as up about the management company of the artist involved. Many other people might be hurt as well & this should get paid attention to and dealt with immediately. If R. Kelly can get called out & prosecuted for the horrible things he did this needs to be brought out as well, I just haven't seen a lot of names of those who enabled or profited off of her getting questioned about it. I hope that happens if they did indeed do these things.
I have no idea if this young woman's story is true or not but I am curious why she has not attempted to go after the production company or the management of the talent that allegedly exploited her? I work in entertainment and have often see all number of things but I have also seen a lot of effort to keep performers safe, I am currently working on a project that has an intimacy coordinator involved due to the very graphic adult scenes. I have seen adult industry performers have rules around what they do as well so I hope this if this story is true she takes legal action, it would also keep this from becoming a problem if it is something other performers deal with.
Heads up: The "leave a comment" link doesn't link to correct article.
I don't like dog-piling. I don't like calling people liars. I don't like cancelling people.
I'm also not into being quick to judge. So I let things ride out if I'm not too interested or investigate thoroughly I am interested before making any opinion or conclusion.
I do think that if Eliza went to Jeremy and/or Britney Venti to make her case. Or if Britney Venti and/or Jeremy went to Eliza to ask her what was up with that video. So if all parties involved assumed good faith on the others part, then this situation probably would've gone down differently. Sensitive issues require delicate care.
Also people in audiences should just sit down and not interfere with Internet Blood Sports / E-Drama, dog-pilling is bad. If the dogpile folk were as motivated to write polite letters to their representatives about the political issues being discussed on the sphere of the internet, as they are motivated to dog-pile then the woke crap didn't catch on as it did. Cynical people don't understand their impact and think it's none existent. Therefore they can do what they want without being scared of the consequences.
I agree. I was approaching it from a cold strategic POV in regards to her reaction. It's not meant as a dig at her or a call to nuance, maybe more meant as unsolicited strategic advice since I fully endorse anyone going after predators and they can use all the tools that they can get their hands on. Especially if she's going to go after the big fish that would even kill to prevent them from getting caught. (maybe I should write a book that combines The Book of the Courtier + Machiavelli + 48 Rules of Power + Art of War for predator catchers?)
Morally I think Jeremy and Venti started with bad faith and should've considered what that could video represents instead of jumping to conclusions. Hence the sensitive issues requires delicate care comment.
I am glad to have seen your post on this matter though. I saw the original Timcast IRL episode and found the chat very tribalistic from the get go in regards to her appearance, combined with her addressing Andrew Tate and her argument of "just trust me". I'm not conservative, American or a staunch sceptic. I've been trying to warn people on the political right to not go into mass-formation like their counter part.
Only thing I knew was that Andrew Tate is a self-described sociopath. So
the whole thing sounded plausible. Was willing to trust her in regards to the "wait and see" response to the audience. Never had any doubt that she's a survivor, it was strange to me that people were hanging on that.
I could not follow this when it first came out. I refused to watch anything about Eliza until this article and your video. I’ve been volunteering with an organization that is building a refuge/home for women (and their children if they have them) to stay and recover after coming out of sex trafficking. After working with this organization and still learning about those who are in and coming out of sex trafficking I couldn’t stomach people’s judgment about this woman especially knowing many of them are ignorant about this. Thank you for waiting. I call myself a conservative but not a republican as most of the republicans are grifters I found and I want no part of that. Thank you for all your work especially on this and with education as I lecturer at the university level.
I don’t know if EB was trafficked. I don’t know if she was maligned by YT personalities. But, I do know that censoring people (who are talking about these things) is definitely wrong. I’ll believe for the sake of argument that EB is being falsely accused, but I’m damn sure that Twitter, etc is guilty, and that The Quartering is innocent until he’s proven wrong as well.
If someone posted a sex tape of you all over the internet, a sex tape made when you were not consenting to being a part of it, would it be wrong for you to get it removed? They are all guilty and you are guilty of canceling a sex trafficking victim. Look yourself in the mirror until that sinks in.
I’ve not seen or heard of any sex tape that’s been posted of EB. Did The Quartering post one? I believe he posted a screen shot of a video that was publicly available for all to see on YT. He’s also given proof that this video is not obscene and that she consented to being in it.
The world star video is the sex tape. She was drugged and coerced into doing it.
Something about not age restricted. So what's the sex part? Is it kissing or something more serious?
It makes no difference.
There are videos where Eliza express consent for the music ones, what you call "sex tape". You may claim she was forced/coerced for it too in a drugged state without consent. But the rest of us don't know if such claims are true or not. As I understand it, TheQuartering made the coverage with the video material he presumed to be authentic and true. If the most recent claims by Eliza about being trafficked, drugged, Stockholm syndrome etc. are indeed true but difficult/impossible to prove, then sucks to be her. I don't know what else to make of it.
You are willfully missing the point. That's why you can't make sense of it. People who are not willfully missing the point understand that this is not difficult.
If Eliza were to pursue legal action against her trafficker, that would give a lot more credence to her recent claims and justification for her actions against social media accounts. Has she done so? I know: easier said than done, may not have enough evidence, and what she feels as trafficking may not meet strict legal definitions. But I don't know about reality of it. I only know there's been videos and photos of her on Internet for years without a challenge, and now all of a sudden those are taken down and social media accounts are suspended.
What comes to "wilfully missing the point", English is not my first language and I don't know word "wilfully". I checked dictionary, and it gives me a match for "wilful" with definitions. But I don't understand why you use that for me. I can only assume there is something you deem so obvious that everybody else should understand without explanation, but I don't.
Yes, there is an active case.
Will you cover the case?
That is something. Do you have details? Links? Upcoming article here on Substack? I'll pass the info to TheQuartering asssuming he cares to even check my messages (I have got some responses in the past).
I would absolutely want it removed, 1000%.
I also wouldn't wait 7 yrs and until it was no longer advantageous to me, to have it struck down.
Not trying to be a drama hound here Karlyn, just pointing out some pretty obvious problems with some of these statements.
I think the possibility of EB being both a sex trafficking victim and a lying grifter are pretty high. One doesn't cancel the other and they can both exist at the same time.
She may not have known it was there. You have absolutely no idea if she did or she didn't. And yes, being a victim of human trafficking and having that splashed all over the internet cancels out your retarded label of "grifter" every fucking day.
Well, it's my policy to ban people who announce their departure. Enjoy your block, bitch!
Was this sex tape publicly available on YT? Did The Quartering post a screenshot from the YT video?
Yes.
I'm blocking you now because you are continuing to be willfully ignorant. I no longer wish to continue a conversation with someone who refuses to see what he's doing.
I do not see what this person is doing wrong. Maybe a longer explanation of what is so wrong about what they are saying is, outside of not agreeing with you, would help others not be bant in the future
I will not have these back and forth with people who refuse to look at information directly in front of them. He’s an outrage junkie, nothing more. I don’t want him in my community.
What is the video title?
I am sure that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of both sides. I am also certain this whole thing is useless drama cause NONE OF YALL "CONSERVATIVE" commentators are talking about anything that matters right now.
There are 2 big problems the pro-EB crowd willfully ignores. 1) she has told SO MANY LIES no one knows the truth anymore, and you're a liar if you say you do, even her probably. 2)Just because something bad happens to someone does not justify them doing bad things to others. No matter how big or small. Just because you were abused as a child doesn't make it ok to abuse other children when you grow up. Nor does it mean you can say or do anything unchecked and all of the pro-EB crowd wants everyone to forget about everything and just concentrate on the part where she was POSSIBLY, ACTUALLY trafficked.
I am sure EB has a traumatic story. So do I and a lot of other ppl and the reason most ppl never come forward is because of ppl like EB, who started out w the best intentions but she has told a lot of lies and done a lot of shady stuff once she got her "fame". Now her story is being scrutinized, as well it should, and unfortunately the truth cannot out loud the lies. Now the next person with a true story is reticent to come forward because they don't want this scrutiny and the reason there will be a high lvl of scrutiny and nit picking is because of EB's lies and misrepresentations.
Is she evil, no. Has she done more damage than good? She better start building the homeless some houses just in case.
Yeah the sad part is there are people who will exploit all sorts of things for money and attention on the internet & social media. So I can see how people might be skeptical especially if she has a past of not being so honest about things. If she was indeed trafficked I hope she speaks up about the production company who made this music video as well as up about the management company of the artist involved. Many other people might be hurt as well & this should get paid attention to and dealt with immediately. If R. Kelly can get called out & prosecuted for the horrible things he did this needs to be brought out as well, I just haven't seen a lot of names of those who enabled or profited off of her getting questioned about it. I hope that happens if they did indeed do these things.
I have no idea if this young woman's story is true or not but I am curious why she has not attempted to go after the production company or the management of the talent that allegedly exploited her? I work in entertainment and have often see all number of things but I have also seen a lot of effort to keep performers safe, I am currently working on a project that has an intimacy coordinator involved due to the very graphic adult scenes. I have seen adult industry performers have rules around what they do as well so I hope this if this story is true she takes legal action, it would also keep this from becoming a problem if it is something other performers deal with.
Did she ever actually engage in prostitution? If not, then how was she "whoring" on the internet.
The posting of those videos was simply beyond acceptable. Maybe illegal.
It's all too easy to forget to look in all directions.
What IS human trafficking in this context? cause I always thought it was chains and imprisonment, forced to go places and do things like an animal.
It's not chains and imprisonment. It's when a person sells someone for sex.
Heads up: The "leave a comment" link doesn't link to correct article.
I don't like dog-piling. I don't like calling people liars. I don't like cancelling people.
I'm also not into being quick to judge. So I let things ride out if I'm not too interested or investigate thoroughly I am interested before making any opinion or conclusion.
I do think that if Eliza went to Jeremy and/or Britney Venti to make her case. Or if Britney Venti and/or Jeremy went to Eliza to ask her what was up with that video. So if all parties involved assumed good faith on the others part, then this situation probably would've gone down differently. Sensitive issues require delicate care.
Also people in audiences should just sit down and not interfere with Internet Blood Sports / E-Drama, dog-pilling is bad. If the dogpile folk were as motivated to write polite letters to their representatives about the political issues being discussed on the sphere of the internet, as they are motivated to dog-pile then the woke crap didn't catch on as it did. Cynical people don't understand their impact and think it's none existent. Therefore they can do what they want without being scared of the consequences.
None of the people canceling Eliza were acting in good faith. She was not obligated to act in good faith to them.
I agree. I was approaching it from a cold strategic POV in regards to her reaction. It's not meant as a dig at her or a call to nuance, maybe more meant as unsolicited strategic advice since I fully endorse anyone going after predators and they can use all the tools that they can get their hands on. Especially if she's going to go after the big fish that would even kill to prevent them from getting caught. (maybe I should write a book that combines The Book of the Courtier + Machiavelli + 48 Rules of Power + Art of War for predator catchers?)
Morally I think Jeremy and Venti started with bad faith and should've considered what that could video represents instead of jumping to conclusions. Hence the sensitive issues requires delicate care comment.
I am glad to have seen your post on this matter though. I saw the original Timcast IRL episode and found the chat very tribalistic from the get go in regards to her appearance, combined with her addressing Andrew Tate and her argument of "just trust me". I'm not conservative, American or a staunch sceptic. I've been trying to warn people on the political right to not go into mass-formation like their counter part.
Only thing I knew was that Andrew Tate is a self-described sociopath. So
the whole thing sounded plausible. Was willing to trust her in regards to the "wait and see" response to the audience. Never had any doubt that she's a survivor, it was strange to me that people were hanging on that.