"Has this series made you look at abortion differently?"
No, not really. I've always been against abortion, but what has changed is I'm seeing now just how ghoulish these people really are. I've heard pro-life people saying that these folks really viewed their killing as a religious experience, but I didn't really believe it. Apparently they were right on the money.
This series tipped me to subscribe to you. You are doing important work. Important truthful work. Thank you and that you exposed yourself to pure evil - that was very hard. I would most definitely vomit at the overbearing message of 'self-love' if I were there in person. Thank you.
WOW! I’ve followed your work for a long time. You’re actually the reason I joined Locals and one of the reasons I came to Substack. You’ve done some great work. This piece and the receipts (pics and descriptions from actually going on this “tour”) hit me like no other. At the risk of sounding like Dana Carvey’s “Church lady”, I cannot come away from this without feeling that this “shout my abortion” movement is about as close to satanic as it could be without overtly being that. The feeling you had at that “shrine” is how I felt reading your account. As someone who was adopted rather than aborted (and ultimately happily reunited with my birth family decades later), but also having been a female of childbearing potential, I’ve had some feelings on this topic over the years.
When I was 6 I had an older cousin who had a “back alley abortion” when she was 5-6 months pregnant and recall the pain of her nearly dying had my parents not gotten her to the hospital before she bled to death. I also recall my father’s account of riding on the elevator next to her still alive baby boy who was receiving emergency medical care but died that day.
Never have a read a more powerful piece on this subject than what you wrote in this piece. I wish every kid from middle school on up (girls AND boys) could be exposed to this piece and/or a live event where the reality that you share here could be shared with them! Our society has so devalued life in large part because of the “pro-abortion movement” that I think it’s time for the pendulum to swing the other way. It’s been happening as science has brought more realities home like 3D sonograms but we aren’t allowed to discuss the ugly side of abortion without being labeled radical loons.
For quite some time I’ve personally been “Pro life” where pro life is defined much as you described it: our society needs to recognize there are medical necessities in some procedures due to miscarriage, rape/incest, life of the mother and such but that there IS a life involved, the most vulnerable life of all, and that innocent life should be valued, protected and nurtured both before and AFTER birth. Thank you for sharing this experience in such a powerful, sensitive & eloquent way.
Great article, Karlyn! This whole thing is horrifying. I'm glad you're exposing it. As someone who is pro-life, I've done my best to be compassionate and vouch for exceptions in the first trimester, even though I would discourage anyone from getting an abortion, I don't want anyone to harm themselves over a pregnancy. But I am so on the other end of the extreme from these people. You and I are probably a fraction away in difference in opinion on our beliefs on abortion whereas these people are on an entirely different planet.
I believe the same as you. When I started university more decades ago than I care to remember, I was quite atheistic and held abortion as nearly a sacrament. I must admit to my ignorance at that time because I thought it only applied to the pill; I did not know of the existence of late term. My wife is agnostic, but she firmly believes that abortion should not be used for birth control. According to Elon Musk, the world's population is dropping rapidly. However, I'm not sure from where he's drawing his stats. He says this is world-wide and not just a Western phenomenon.
I consider myself pro-life in many respects. I would love to see restrictions on later term abortions. I’m also a small government type so I much prefer that the states enact their own laws regarding abortion s that it be legislated in by the court system.
That said, I’m an anesthesiologist. I work at a facility that performs D & E procedures for the purposes of terminating a pregnancy. It has moderated my stance somewhat. At least where I work, these procedures are being performed on women who wanted to be pregnant, and wanted this baby, but are being faced with a diagnosis of lethal anomalies in the baby (that even with the best care would live hours to days) or are making the choose because the pregnancy is quite literally killing them. And so I gladly provide anesthesia in these cases. Many of these women are heartbroken over this. They grieve the loss.
But I’m very uncomfortable with women who use abortions as birth control. And, I know that this is not incredibly common, I have also seen many women come in who have had multiple elective abortions jn the first trimester.
What this series has done is reinforced my concerns about pro-choice activists. That they really don’t care about the fact that a woman may not feel joyful another this. That they celebrate the death. And that there is no way to reason with them.
I used to be pro-choice. I even used to donate to Planned Parenthood because I believed they were trying to help. I believed abortion was rare. Then I saw this video on TK news last year and I felt sick (I hope this link works, the video was disturbing, be warned)
I felt truly horribly sick. I did further research into what do Pro-lifers have to say about this system, what are the arguments outside of religious ones.
The things I read were horrible. The babies and parts being sold for all kinds of money and how the abortion business is not a small business.
WTF is wrong with our society that this is happening?
I became pro-life after having children. I agree with some exceptions for abortion (rape, incest, mother's life risk (physical), and also should happen early in first trimester) because I think as a society we have to allow for it to co-exist. For me it's terrible and not something to be celebrated. When I heard Dr. Steve Hammond's story of the last abortion he performed I literally sobbed. I agree with ultrasound laws. I honestly think some women don't fully understand the choice they are making. I will never join the pro-abortion people. It is like a cult and it's sick. Thank you Karlyn for the reporting on this. Its' tough stuff but really eye-opening.
Verified my opinion about pure evil targeting the unborn, and the complete disregard for physical & emotional health of women & their future pregnancies, all for $$$ & power.
Then there's "Satanic Temple Sues States for Infringing on 'Religious Abortion Ritual'"
Posed a question a few years ago about a genetic test identifying a baby with the "gay" gene. Would it be right to abort this baby? "No." Plus a bunch of cognitive dissonance
Abortions after 20-22 weeks is heart breaking. Early births @ this gestation survive and go on to live normal lives.
We focus on the women's rights rather than healthy options. I would like to see more informed consent and options given to mothers. Example: Ultrasound and "cooling off" period with options for adoption and financial support during pregnancy. PP won't allow this - takes away their cash cow, including our tax dollars
I've always been pro-life but fully aware that abortions will happen whether legal or not. My stance has always been, "I just don't want my tax dollars paying for it." That's still true, and my reaction to this is that these people are truly evil. But there's nothing technically illegal in what these people are doing. That's the frustrating part. You can't outlaw "evil." It does, however, tell us everything we need to know about their pscyhe, and they, or anyone who supports this dark, twisted, nonsense should be nowhere need positions of leadership anywhere, anytime.
A good number of women who subscribe to this life view are probably school teachers, which is why I feel very strongly that getting your kids out of the public school systems is worth any sacrifice.
Thank you for this report, Karlyn. Incredibly eye opening and disturbing.
My wife and I never had human children (that is, we have "fur babies). However, we have had a few discussions in the hypothetical, and we agree that the kids would have been home-schooled. As early back as the 70s, for a host of reasons, my parents gave serious thought of sending me to stay with family in Ireland in order to receive my education there. At that time, there was nothing of what we call "woke". I would have attended an all boys Roman Catholic academy.
Pro choice has certainly gone too far. I believe that any medical procedure is determined by patient and doctor. I would never have an abortion, I believe life begins at conception, you are killing a baby. With that being said, I do not have the right to interfere with someones' medical decision. Abortion should not be in politics at all, it should be a private decision discussed with your doctor.
I subscribed because of this abortion thing. That altar/shrine thing is a slap in the face to my practice of the Old Faith. In my morning prayer one of the affirmations is "Thy sacred Law of Life is the guiding star of my existence..." The sight of holy images for this "nourishment" is deeply abhorrent. "Nourishment" and damned chamomile tea is * not* what they need. As a fellow practitioner of "woo", I reckon that spiritually speaking they need something else entirely. It was the reality of late term abortion that pushed the envelope. Reading of live births during the abortion procedure sickened me. As a side note, I am nigh speechless regarding the erasure of women. I don't resent people with genuine gender dysphoria transitioning, but this new cult is Marxist driven. If nothing else, I am stridently anti-Marxist. I've lost friends, family, and gained enemies, one of whom threatened my life. The infiltration of the "Old Religion" by the Woke has been insufferable .
I personally am happy to see your views having some internal conflict on this topic. Mine do. There aren't any easy answers. As a Christian I could take the position "absolutely no abortions" but that doesn't meet reality on the ground. Don't want to return to back alley abortions, do agree there are medical reasons at times where abortion is necessary.
Regarding rape, it seems (intellectually) nice and clean to say it's not the baby's fault the woman was raped so why "take it out" on the fetus, but I understand that's carrying the baby is just psychologically too traumatic. (I have read testimony of women who carried their rape baby to term out of religious conviction but I think that's not something all women can or ought to be forced to choose).
I don't even know where to come down on the debate about when the product of conception becomes a human being. Who knows? A dogmatic decision that it's at the moment of conception has a nice symmetry to it, but that means nada.
I call myself a pro-situation. I don’t like abortion and I don’t consider them a good thing but there are times it is necessary and it is a medical procedure. Medical abortions should be legal no matter the week and I would say that covers mental and physical reasons. I think abortions should be legal up to the point a fetus can survive outside the womb which is 20 weeks but can be changed as time has gone by. I also think birth controls should be over the counter and easy to access for women. The fact birth control is not over the counter is insulting to women. I am even for the government reimbursing doctors for IUDs. Also should be paths for women to be able to be sterilized if they want (maybe a 2 year process involving counseling and consultations with doctors).
I could feel my son kicking at 20 weeks, at 10 weeks he was able to move on his own I have video of it from the US. To me the ability to move without me controlling it made my son be an individual human separate from me. I also understand not every woman wants to be a mother and they should never be forced into or have to explain themselves.
"Has this series made you look at abortion differently?"
No, not really. I've always been against abortion, but what has changed is I'm seeing now just how ghoulish these people really are. I've heard pro-life people saying that these folks really viewed their killing as a religious experience, but I didn't really believe it. Apparently they were right on the money.
This series tipped me to subscribe to you. You are doing important work. Important truthful work. Thank you and that you exposed yourself to pure evil - that was very hard. I would most definitely vomit at the overbearing message of 'self-love' if I were there in person. Thank you.
WOW! I’ve followed your work for a long time. You’re actually the reason I joined Locals and one of the reasons I came to Substack. You’ve done some great work. This piece and the receipts (pics and descriptions from actually going on this “tour”) hit me like no other. At the risk of sounding like Dana Carvey’s “Church lady”, I cannot come away from this without feeling that this “shout my abortion” movement is about as close to satanic as it could be without overtly being that. The feeling you had at that “shrine” is how I felt reading your account. As someone who was adopted rather than aborted (and ultimately happily reunited with my birth family decades later), but also having been a female of childbearing potential, I’ve had some feelings on this topic over the years.
When I was 6 I had an older cousin who had a “back alley abortion” when she was 5-6 months pregnant and recall the pain of her nearly dying had my parents not gotten her to the hospital before she bled to death. I also recall my father’s account of riding on the elevator next to her still alive baby boy who was receiving emergency medical care but died that day.
Never have a read a more powerful piece on this subject than what you wrote in this piece. I wish every kid from middle school on up (girls AND boys) could be exposed to this piece and/or a live event where the reality that you share here could be shared with them! Our society has so devalued life in large part because of the “pro-abortion movement” that I think it’s time for the pendulum to swing the other way. It’s been happening as science has brought more realities home like 3D sonograms but we aren’t allowed to discuss the ugly side of abortion without being labeled radical loons.
For quite some time I’ve personally been “Pro life” where pro life is defined much as you described it: our society needs to recognize there are medical necessities in some procedures due to miscarriage, rape/incest, life of the mother and such but that there IS a life involved, the most vulnerable life of all, and that innocent life should be valued, protected and nurtured both before and AFTER birth. Thank you for sharing this experience in such a powerful, sensitive & eloquent way.
(and btw, I remember the Clinton years as a teen of the “safe, rare, and legal” argument and approach. how times have changed.)
Great article, Karlyn! This whole thing is horrifying. I'm glad you're exposing it. As someone who is pro-life, I've done my best to be compassionate and vouch for exceptions in the first trimester, even though I would discourage anyone from getting an abortion, I don't want anyone to harm themselves over a pregnancy. But I am so on the other end of the extreme from these people. You and I are probably a fraction away in difference in opinion on our beliefs on abortion whereas these people are on an entirely different planet.
I believe the same as you. When I started university more decades ago than I care to remember, I was quite atheistic and held abortion as nearly a sacrament. I must admit to my ignorance at that time because I thought it only applied to the pill; I did not know of the existence of late term. My wife is agnostic, but she firmly believes that abortion should not be used for birth control. According to Elon Musk, the world's population is dropping rapidly. However, I'm not sure from where he's drawing his stats. He says this is world-wide and not just a Western phenomenon.
I consider myself pro-life in many respects. I would love to see restrictions on later term abortions. I’m also a small government type so I much prefer that the states enact their own laws regarding abortion s that it be legislated in by the court system.
That said, I’m an anesthesiologist. I work at a facility that performs D & E procedures for the purposes of terminating a pregnancy. It has moderated my stance somewhat. At least where I work, these procedures are being performed on women who wanted to be pregnant, and wanted this baby, but are being faced with a diagnosis of lethal anomalies in the baby (that even with the best care would live hours to days) or are making the choose because the pregnancy is quite literally killing them. And so I gladly provide anesthesia in these cases. Many of these women are heartbroken over this. They grieve the loss.
But I’m very uncomfortable with women who use abortions as birth control. And, I know that this is not incredibly common, I have also seen many women come in who have had multiple elective abortions jn the first trimester.
What this series has done is reinforced my concerns about pro-choice activists. That they really don’t care about the fact that a woman may not feel joyful another this. That they celebrate the death. And that there is no way to reason with them.
I used to be pro-choice. I even used to donate to Planned Parenthood because I believed they were trying to help. I believed abortion was rare. Then I saw this video on TK news last year and I felt sick (I hope this link works, the video was disturbing, be warned)
https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/activism-uncensored-leftist-anti?r=i2lu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I felt truly horribly sick. I did further research into what do Pro-lifers have to say about this system, what are the arguments outside of religious ones.
The things I read were horrible. The babies and parts being sold for all kinds of money and how the abortion business is not a small business.
WTF is wrong with our society that this is happening?
I became pro-life after having children. I agree with some exceptions for abortion (rape, incest, mother's life risk (physical), and also should happen early in first trimester) because I think as a society we have to allow for it to co-exist. For me it's terrible and not something to be celebrated. When I heard Dr. Steve Hammond's story of the last abortion he performed I literally sobbed. I agree with ultrasound laws. I honestly think some women don't fully understand the choice they are making. I will never join the pro-abortion people. It is like a cult and it's sick. Thank you Karlyn for the reporting on this. Its' tough stuff but really eye-opening.
Verified my opinion about pure evil targeting the unborn, and the complete disregard for physical & emotional health of women & their future pregnancies, all for $$$ & power.
Then there's "Satanic Temple Sues States for Infringing on 'Religious Abortion Ritual'"
Posed a question a few years ago about a genetic test identifying a baby with the "gay" gene. Would it be right to abort this baby? "No." Plus a bunch of cognitive dissonance
Abortions after 20-22 weeks is heart breaking. Early births @ this gestation survive and go on to live normal lives.
We focus on the women's rights rather than healthy options. I would like to see more informed consent and options given to mothers. Example: Ultrasound and "cooling off" period with options for adoption and financial support during pregnancy. PP won't allow this - takes away their cash cow, including our tax dollars
FYI, Saynumthn documents current & historical targeting of minorities & PP's use of our $$ here & abroad https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/author/saynsumthn/page/9/
Thanks for going into the belly of the beast 🙏🙏🙏
I've always been pro-life but fully aware that abortions will happen whether legal or not. My stance has always been, "I just don't want my tax dollars paying for it." That's still true, and my reaction to this is that these people are truly evil. But there's nothing technically illegal in what these people are doing. That's the frustrating part. You can't outlaw "evil." It does, however, tell us everything we need to know about their pscyhe, and they, or anyone who supports this dark, twisted, nonsense should be nowhere need positions of leadership anywhere, anytime.
A good number of women who subscribe to this life view are probably school teachers, which is why I feel very strongly that getting your kids out of the public school systems is worth any sacrifice.
Thank you for this report, Karlyn. Incredibly eye opening and disturbing.
My wife and I never had human children (that is, we have "fur babies). However, we have had a few discussions in the hypothetical, and we agree that the kids would have been home-schooled. As early back as the 70s, for a host of reasons, my parents gave serious thought of sending me to stay with family in Ireland in order to receive my education there. At that time, there was nothing of what we call "woke". I would have attended an all boys Roman Catholic academy.
Pro choice has certainly gone too far. I believe that any medical procedure is determined by patient and doctor. I would never have an abortion, I believe life begins at conception, you are killing a baby. With that being said, I do not have the right to interfere with someones' medical decision. Abortion should not be in politics at all, it should be a private decision discussed with your doctor.
Karlyn,
I subscribed because of this abortion thing. That altar/shrine thing is a slap in the face to my practice of the Old Faith. In my morning prayer one of the affirmations is "Thy sacred Law of Life is the guiding star of my existence..." The sight of holy images for this "nourishment" is deeply abhorrent. "Nourishment" and damned chamomile tea is * not* what they need. As a fellow practitioner of "woo", I reckon that spiritually speaking they need something else entirely. It was the reality of late term abortion that pushed the envelope. Reading of live births during the abortion procedure sickened me. As a side note, I am nigh speechless regarding the erasure of women. I don't resent people with genuine gender dysphoria transitioning, but this new cult is Marxist driven. If nothing else, I am stridently anti-Marxist. I've lost friends, family, and gained enemies, one of whom threatened my life. The infiltration of the "Old Religion" by the Woke has been insufferable .
whoa. I watched this stream and have followed everything you’ve documented on this, but I did NOT expect this title!
These people are out of touch w/reality.
I personally am happy to see your views having some internal conflict on this topic. Mine do. There aren't any easy answers. As a Christian I could take the position "absolutely no abortions" but that doesn't meet reality on the ground. Don't want to return to back alley abortions, do agree there are medical reasons at times where abortion is necessary.
Regarding rape, it seems (intellectually) nice and clean to say it's not the baby's fault the woman was raped so why "take it out" on the fetus, but I understand that's carrying the baby is just psychologically too traumatic. (I have read testimony of women who carried their rape baby to term out of religious conviction but I think that's not something all women can or ought to be forced to choose).
I don't even know where to come down on the debate about when the product of conception becomes a human being. Who knows? A dogmatic decision that it's at the moment of conception has a nice symmetry to it, but that means nada.
Thanks again for your work.
So touched by you sharing your experience. Supporting. Bless you & how your soul moves you to expose the evil.
I call myself a pro-situation. I don’t like abortion and I don’t consider them a good thing but there are times it is necessary and it is a medical procedure. Medical abortions should be legal no matter the week and I would say that covers mental and physical reasons. I think abortions should be legal up to the point a fetus can survive outside the womb which is 20 weeks but can be changed as time has gone by. I also think birth controls should be over the counter and easy to access for women. The fact birth control is not over the counter is insulting to women. I am even for the government reimbursing doctors for IUDs. Also should be paths for women to be able to be sterilized if they want (maybe a 2 year process involving counseling and consultations with doctors).
I could feel my son kicking at 20 weeks, at 10 weeks he was able to move on his own I have video of it from the US. To me the ability to move without me controlling it made my son be an individual human separate from me. I also understand not every woman wants to be a mother and they should never be forced into or have to explain themselves.
I hope this all made sense.